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thatâs what the music is for
new album - 17 oct 2025
The Apartments tenth album Thatâs What the Music is For is a cycle of eight songs that speak to one another to tell the albumâs story. Available now and supported by The Apartments on Tour.
Reviews to date
Thatâs What the Music is For was listed as #1 on Bandcampâs Essential Releases. âItâs the kind of record that demands you stop what youâre doing and pay attention, then rewards your focus with careful, patient storytelling and heartbreaking melodiesâ USA
âAn album about existing in a space where nothing is as straightforward as joy or sadnessâŠItâs another beautiful record. One that pulls at the threads of memory and holds you in a very alive present thatâs complicated but still graspable. Bernard Zuel, AU
â8/10âŠemphasises his proudly perfectionist nature, itâs exquisitely understated⊠drenched in resonant yearningâ Wyndham Wallace UNCUT, UK
â⊠mood music for moody people⊠songs for those nights when you know youâre going to have the mother of all hangovers in the morning.â Louder Than War, UK
âGlorious music for bright, wintry daysâŠthese are songs to get lost in, at times seriously dramaticâŠsubtle and lovely. And itâs not just how the music sounds, but how it makes you feel. Itâs an album that changes the atmosphere in the room, possibly The Apartmentsâ finest album to date.â No More Workhorse, IE
âEach album by The Apartments recounts the seasonsâŠwith a certain je ne sais quoi reminiscent of prints, sepia tones and watercolorsâŠsketches and details that weave a path back to the past. Peter Milton Walsh composes like a painter, mixing colors and nuances. These eight songs have the flavour of twilight.â Benzine Magazine, FR
âA wonderful album... that will warm the autumn and winter evenings with âŠmelancholy.â De Krenten Uit De Pop, NL
âLives up perfectly to its title ⊠invites us to dive deep within ourselves ⊠what keeps us alive.â Sun Burns Out, FR
âWhat we consider once or twice in a lifetime events become the bread and butter of the Apartmentsâ musical soul, and thatâs fine with us. âBring back the days that had you in them,â Walsh croons guilelessly in the title trackâŠNostalgia, yearning, understanding, catharsis, all in two clean and elegant lines. Nobody ponders loss like Peter Milton Walsh, and thank the gods for that.â The Big Takeover USA
âYet another great album from The Apartments, of melancholic and autumnal songs that tell of that which is forever gone, that which is destined to end and of the place of music in our lives. Peter Milton Walsh is one of the greatest songwriters around, and The Apartments music survives on the unconditional love of all who listen to it.â LOUDD, Italy
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Two singles have been released - âA Handful of Tomorrowâ and âDeath Would Be My Best Career Moveâ -
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The Apartments catalogue
NEW ALBUM OCTOBER 2025: Thats What the Music is For - CD + Vinyl
In and Out of the Light - CD + Vinyl
No Song, No Spell, No Madrigal - CD (Australian CD with 2 bonus tracks) + Limited Vinyl (NOW via Talitres)
Live at LâUbu - vinyl
Seven Songs - CD + Limited vinyl
A Life Full of Farewells - CD + Limited vinyl
apart - Limited vinyl
fĂȘte foraine - CD + Limited vinyl
drift - CD + Limited vinyl
the evening visits ⊠and stays for years - CD + vinyl - limited re-issue
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The Apartments live videos
The Apartments line-up includes the European band, sometimes a trio, sometimes a full band, the Australian band and The Apartments as a duet. We are aiming to have some live videos from each of these regions with all line ups. There is a lot going on here!
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Podcasts
Over 2020 and 2021 Peter Milton Walsh spoke on a number of podcasts from around the world. Hereâs a selection to start with. Click on the boxes for a link to the podcast.
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TLDR version: Read âMy RockânâRoll Friendâ by Tracey Thorn.
Photo Kate Wilson
You think you know somebody, then you read a bio and realise how little you know them after all.
I got that feeling in spades from Tracey Thornâs âMy RockânâRoll Friendâ. Itâs about Lindy Morrison, about the friendship that developed between Tracey and her and about their solidarity not just as women, but as women in music. The great Elizabeth Hardwick, asked once whether writing was the same for men and women, said âNothing is the same for men and women.â Ditto music.
So itâs both a personal and social history, a racing read knocked over in a couple of hours yet so richly written that both the small and larger truths resonate long after.
The book opens with a double-edged epigraph from Margaret Atwood, as if warning the readerâand maybe the subject tooâwhatâs coming. âShe will have her own version. But I could give her something you can never have, except from another person: what you look like from outsideâŠThis is part of herself I could give back to her.â
Tracey thought the world should know the story of her wonderful pal and set out to honour her in writing. I figured Iâd be reading a portrait of a lady on fire, and I am so here for that.
Yet in writing about a friend, friendships can, ironically, be put at risk. How willing are any of us, after all, to have our story told through someone elseâs eyes?
If she were as honest about me as she is about herself in her memoirs, Iâm not sure Iâd like to be on the receiving end of Traceyâs unsparing gaze. That said, now that I know how intriguing Lindyâs backstory is, and how they seesawed and shifted in one anotherâs lives, I understand why she felt compelled to write this story, their story. Why, I might even have been tempted to write it myself, were it not for the fact that Iâm not a writer and I donât have a death wish.
A river of surprises runs through this book. The first and largest for me was in the person that Lindy used to be.
The Lindy Morrison I met in 1978 seemed bulletproof, so outrageously self-confident you could not imagine sheâd had a moment of insecurity in her entire life. She brought her own electricity to every room.
I saw the same unchanging person in a hundred different situations from that time onward. No mute button, or sense of anything withheld, a permanent refusal to tone down. She would have to ask Siri what âundershareâ means.
And thatâs the Lindy who burst into Traceyâs life too in 1983âand became her heroine.
Yet through diary entries and letters to herself as a teenager, Lindy reveals a poignant vulnerability that came as a shock. Pages from those years reveal her wishing she was more pretty, worrying her Coke-bottle glasses will put boys off, wondering if she would ever find love, all of this escalating a teenage sense of loneliness. She was so hard on herself.
What is it that makes us who we are? How much of the past carries into the present? Itâs as if the trauma cleaners had been through and removed the clues and evidence of who Lindy had once been in a way that makes Gatsbyâs strenuous remaking of himself look positively indolent.
Tracey tries to work out how she became the Lindy 2.0 we all came to know.
And while there are many other fantastic revelations, some apparently were cut because they fitted a category I had no idea even existed: âToo revealing for Lindy Morrison.â
Some of these scenes seem to say âAlright Mr DeMille, I'm ready for my Netflix series nowâ. Diaries summon up a lost way of life, such as the way in which Lindyâs generation travelled. You see her with her friend Diana, blonde hippie chicks hitchhiking through a âEurope on $5 a Dayâ world of 1-star hotels, travellerâs cheques and trips youâd take only if you were heroically out of it, such as heading for Algiers from Fez when theyâre both struck down with dysenteryâwhich I think rather gallant.
And all of this is set during the age of letters, which was the way most travellers kept in touch. Getting news from home through the mail, picked up every couple of weeks from Poste Restante. No mobiles, FB/Instagram, email.
The big danger in writing about events of 30 or 40 years ago is that it might lapse into recollections in tranquillity. Not here. This story has the immediacy and emotion of the time itself, with the storms both Tracey and Lindy lived through, how they felt back then perfectly preserved in vivid letters and diary entries they kept at the time. Hindsight could not hope to be this honest.
There is no glossing over the volatility of their friendship because friendshipsâlike careers, marriages and socialsâtake an awful lot of work. They are not long, the days of wine and roses. Everything changes. And you sense the great shifts as the friendship is tested by the usual suspects of distractions, distance and different timezones.
There are tensions and silences and misunderstandings all of which the years can magnify yet which can just as easily fly out the window, given the right time and place. Once friends, alcohol and reminiscence are together in the same room, any letdowns vanish in wild laughter.
The writing moves like music, changing key just as life does and just as swiftly, from the heartbreaking to the hilarious, gradually gathering up the full sound of Lindy in all her complicated contradictory glory. She shines brightly.
But while truth will not always favour the teller, Spoiler Alert: their friendship, like a song, reveals and proves itself over time. It lasts.
Peter Milton Walsh 29 July 2021
Un Samedi AprĂšs-Midi Ă Paris
(Traduction française de Jean-Baptiste Santoni avec l'aide précieuse de Catherine Cernicchiaro)
DĂ©cembre 2012. Premiers jours de lâhiver. Nous entrons dans Paris un samedi aprĂšs-midi, pour une session qui sera enregistrĂ©e dans le cadre de lâĂ©mission Label Pop de Vincent ThĂ©val. Câest une Ă©mission Ă©coutĂ©e par un public fervent, diffusĂ©e partout en France tous les lundis Ă 22h30 sur une station de radio publique française, et accessible en ligne partout dans le monde. Nous arrivons dâAllonnes, prĂšs du Mans, oĂč nous avons jouĂ© la veille au soir le premier concert de la tournĂ©e The Apartments.
Je suis assis Ă lâarriĂšre du van avec Amanda, Wayne et Nick. Câest Robin Dallier, notre fabuleux technicien son pour cette tournĂ©e, qui conduit. Jâai appris seulement la veille quâalors tout jeune ingĂ©nieur du son, Robin avait Ă©tĂ© assistant lors de lâenregistrement de Amours des feintes de Jane Birkin le dernier album et la derniĂšre chanson jamais Ă©crits par Gainsbourg. Six mois plus tard, Serge mourait.
Souvent, tĂŽt dans la journĂ©e, Serge et Robin se retrouvaient seuls dans le calme du studio. Ils fumaient et discutaient en buvant du cafĂ©, et Serge terminait dâĂ©crire des paroles avant que Jane ne vienne pour les chanter. Je me dis que ce nâĂ©tait que le dĂ©but pour Robin. Pour Serge, câĂ©tait dĂ©jĂ presque la fin.
Le charme est soudain rompu lorsque nous prenons un tournant brusque qui fait pencher le vĂ©hicule. Celui-ci semble ensuite bondir hors du PĂ©riphĂ©rique, et nous voilĂ au milieu de cet inoubliable paysage Haussmannienâdes bĂątiments en grĂšs de cinq Ă©tages, de larges boulevards inondĂ©s par la lumiĂšre de dĂ©cembre, des chĂątaigniers bordant la chaussĂ©e. Les innombrables ponts qui traversent la Seine sâĂ©tendent devant nous sous un ciel magnifique. Nous sommes de retour Ă Paris. Comme toujours, câest un sentiment merveilleux. OĂč se trouve le studio? Câest la question que je pose. A cinq minutes, nous dit Robin, ici, sur lâAvenue du PrĂ©sident Kennedy.
Un samedi aprĂšs-midi Ă Parisâpour lâenregistrement dâune session avec le groupe, dans un studio dâune radio française construit dans les annĂ©es 60, assis dans un vĂ©hicule qui descend lâAvenue du PrĂ©sident Kennedy, tout prĂšs de la Seineâtout cela donne soudain lâimpression que quelque chose de lâordre du destin est en train de se jouer.
Je nâai pas Ă©tabli de setlistâjâaurais dĂ» le faire, sans doute. Lâenjeu est grand. Câest une Ă©mission de radio nationale, toutes les prises seront faites en direct, pas de rĂ©enregistrement, pas de droit Ă lâerreur. Je mâĂ©tais dit que nous arriverions comme ça, sans rien prĂ©parer, que nous nous imprĂ©gnerions de lâatmosphĂšre du lieu, et que nous laisserions la bonne vieille magie opĂ©rer, en choisissant les chansons selon lâinspiration du moment. Tout ce qui mâĂ©tait venu Ă lâesprit, câest que nous ne serions pas sur scĂšne, mais dans un studio, en plein jourâet cela changeait tout pour nous.
Mais je suis sĂ»r dâune chose, câest de vouloir jouer World of Liars, rien que pour le plaisir dâentendre le beau pizzicato dâAmanda, mais aussi pour suivre jusquâau bout de lâhistoire la piste des espoirs exsangues et dĂ©faits, ce moment oĂč ils finissent par abandonner et admettre que « ce monde nâest plus le nĂŽtre ».
Le studio est une piĂšce immense au plafond Ă©levĂ©. Un piano Ă queue Steinway, un parquet en bois, de vieux et gros micros. Dusty Springfield a-t-elle jamais enregistrĂ© en ces lieux? Je mâamuse un peu avec la Telecaster, puis je prends la guitare acoustique et mâassieds. Amanda comprend intuitivement Ă quel point je nâai rien prĂ©parĂ©, et donc, lorsque quelquâun demande une setlist, elle me dit simplement « Annonce les titres au fur et Ă mesure ».
Et voilĂ comment les choses se passent. Nous sommes sur le point de jouer, sachant que nous ne reviendrons jamais dans cette piĂšce. Plus jamais nous ne jouerons ces chansons de la mĂȘme maniĂšre. Ce moment, câest tout ce que nous avons.
Nous allons rĂ©interprĂ©ter et faire revivre des chansons dans cette piĂšce. Des chansons dâun temps lointain semblent Ă nouveau ancrĂ©es dans le prĂ©sent. Câest vrai, comme lâa dit Cormacâles visages sâestompent, les voix sâaffaiblissent. Mais nous sommes lĂ pour les ressusciter, câest ce quâont toujours fait les chansons. Nous rappeler comment nous avons vĂ©cu, nous rappeler tout ce que nous avons perdu, tout ce qui a survĂ©cu. En quelques chansons des annĂ©es entiĂšres reprennent vie. Sept musiciens. Sept chansons. Quelquâun sâempare dâun tambourin. Bang!
Et câest partiâŠ
A Saturday Afternoon in Paris
December, 2012. Early days of Winter. We are driving into Paris on a Saturday afternoon to do a live recording for Vincent ThĂ©valâs Label Pop program. Itâs a French public radio show with a devoted audience, 10.30 each Monday night, broadcast all over France, streamed to an international audience. Weâve just come up from Allonnes, near le Mans, where last night we played the first show of The Apartments French tour.
Iâm in the back of the tour van with Amanda, Wayne and Nick. Robin Dallier, the incredible live sound guy for the tour, is driving. Only a day earlier, I discovered that when he was starting work as a young engineer, Robin was an assistant at the recording of Jane Birkinâs Amours des feintesâthe last album and the last song Gainsbourg wrote. Six months later Serge would be dead.
Often Serge and Robin were alone together in the quiet of the studio earlier in the day. Over coffee, theyâd smoke and chat, Serge finishing lyrics before Jane turned up to sing them. I think how the days were just beginning for Robin. For Serge, they were almost at an end.
That mood is broken as we take a fast, tilting turn, the car skips off a PĂ©riphĂ©rique exit and then there we are, in that unforgettable Haussmann landscapeâfive-story sandstone buildings, broad boulevards filled with December light, chestnut trees lining the road. The countless bridges that cross the Seine are spread out before us beneath a beautiful sky. We are back in Paris. As always, it feels grand. Where is the radio studio? I ask. Five minutes away Robin tells us, here on Avenue du PrĂ©sident Kennedy.
Saturday afternoon in Parisâa recording session with the band, a French radio studio built in the Sixties, driving down Avenue du PrĂ©sident Kennedy beside the Seineâall of this makes it suddenly feel like some kind of destiny is at play.
I donât have a list of songsâI suppose I should have. Thereâs a lot at stake. Itâs a national radio program, all the takes will be live, no overdubs, no going back. I thought weâd just turn up, get the feel for the room and leave what happens to the old, rough magic, making a set up on the spot. All Iâve thought about is weâre not on stage, itâs a studio, itâs daytimeâand all of this is different for us.
But I am definite about wanting to play World of Liars, as much because I love to hear ABâs beautiful pizzicato hook as anything else and to follow the trail of exhausted, defeated hopes through to the storyâs end, that place where they finally give in and admit âitâs not our world anymore.â
The studio is a huge, high-ceilinged room. A Steinway grand piano, wooden parquet floor, big old microphones. Has Dusty Springfield ever recorded here? I faff about a bit with the Telecaster, then pick up the acoustic guitar and take a chair. Amanda intuitively understands exactly how unprepared I am, so when someone asks for a set list she simply says âJust call them out.â
And thatâs how it goes. Weâre about to play, knowing we will never be in this room again. Never again will we play these songs the same way. This is all we have, this moment.
Songs will be revisited and relived in this room. Songs from long ago seem set once more in the present. Itâs true, as Cormac saidâfaces fade, voices dim. But we are here to call them back as songs have always done. Remind us how we lived, remind us of all that has been lost, all that has lasted. Years condense into a set. Seven players. Seven songs. Someone picks up a tambourine. Bang!
And we begin...
INTERVIEW WITH PETER MILTON WALSH BY Pierre Lemarchand
Published in Equilibre Fragile, Indie Rock and Folk magazine
The Apartments have disappeared and been silent for long periods of time. Do you think it has shrouded the band in mystery and has made it even more special?
PMW: I canât look at The Apartments from the outside. I can only tell you what itâs like from the inside and Iâve always found it dangerous to think about the image people have of you. You know that Arctic Monkeys albumâWhatever People Say I Am, Thatâs What Iâm Not â the title they got from Alan Sillitoe? Thatâs the situation. I learned very early on that itâs impossible to control or understand how people see you. A woman who was one of the publicists at Rough Trade had said to me how surprised she was when she met me, that I had a certain swagger that she said she could recognise from a mile away. That wasnât the right word for it but I knew what she meantâthat I had a kind of ease and confidence she didnât get from other indie bands. That she wasnât expecting. At the time, innocence was pretty much the one thing every indie band in England had in common with the other. Iâd been around enough to have a different take on the world. I was older, with more experienceâIâd been in and out of all kinds of cities, all kinds of lives. Iâd had to survive. I think I understood the landscape of loss, mile by mile and hill by hill probably even by then, in fact.
THE SONGS ARE SIMPLE STORIES ABOUT BEING ALIVE.
With songs and bands, there are all kinds of ups and downs, thereâs a cycle to these things, to being in and out of favour. So I am just lucky that people still take my songs into their lives. Because I turned my back on it, I naturally felt the music world was passing me by and I knew it and didnât care⊠I felt shut out from that world where life went on.
I am always surprised that people turn up when I play and Iâm very grateful that they do. It is good too that the songs mean so much to them that some are standing there in tears. As Natasha said, The Apartments can be just hell for mascara. I like to think that people sense life there, beating inside the songs. That they can feel that either theyâve lived like that or that they havenâtâbut that the songs are simple stories about being alive.
And if those songs were heard only in the underground, passed between people like a secret without the kind of public attention others got, well, they still found the listeners who needed them. They became songs that someone loved. When people get them, they really get them. When they fall for them, they fall hard. Thatâs more than enough for me, far more than I could have expected. I wasnât in the race even when I was in the race and I think about that kind of thing even less now. I canât take people down Memory Lane. The Apartments slipped through the cracks there and thatâs just our fate. Canât beat the past. Canât start anew. Canât rewrite or regret it.
What does Peter Milton Walsh does when he does not write songs, play or record music?
PMW: Well thatâs quite a lot of time taken up right there. Iâm always reading, usually many books at once, watching and going to movies, listening to music. I listen to certain things at certain times, sometimes even certain days. Ravel on a Sunday morning. People say you can vacuum to Future Islands or XXâbut I think everyone knows if you want to vacuum the entire house, youâve got to have Chic playing. Maybe James Brown.
I sometimes cook. Thereâs no music on earth better to cook to than soundtracks. Showtunes, Great American Songbook. Musicals. I donât bake cakes, on principle. And for the record, I think GĂąteau dâAmour should only ever be baked by Catherine Deneuve.
Some soundtracksâJerry Goldsmithâs Chinatown for instanceâare very dangerous. Something about them that makes you look a little too longingly at the liquor cabinetâin which I note, rather sadly, that most of the bottlesâCointreau, Courvoisier, Bombay Sapphireâare pretty full.
Overall though, I try to keep things very simple. Simplicity and sensualityâthatâs about all you need I think. I am easily overwhelmed, a bit chaotic and Iâd have to say very easily distracted. The room in which I write has a piano, a wooden table with a typewriter, some bookshelves, a record player and a stack of LPs and singles. No internet. Despite that, I have days when I seem to do nothing productive at all.
You seem to and listen to new music and young artists. How do you keep yourself informed of new releases?
PMW: It happens without trying. I think you canât help but encounter new music. Things float into the streams that are constantly running through our lives. Plus, I have a family that listens to music. A wife and teenagers, a son and daughter living at home. Thereâs radio in the car. Streaming, Spotify. YouTube, all the usual suspects.
Sometimes Iâll overhear something that gets to me. The first time I heard King Krule blaring from my sonâs room, I thought wow, Fat City! (an Alan Vega/Alex Chilton track)â. I was wrongâI still like the King, though. When my son was about 12 or 13 he went through a dubstep stage, Skrillex etc at which point I did what any loving father would doâI asked him to leave home.
And of course the defining experience of being onlineâwhich is why I try to cut back on itâis that once youâre there, youâre constantly being shot like a pinball, rapidly from one thing to another. Youâd have to go out of your way to avoid new songs. And I still find now that I am completely obsessive, just as I was as a child. When I find a song I love, I will play the track over & over & over. Itâs the same for new music as it was when The Apartments first started. If you wanted to know what the consensus was, where the crowd was about to head, youâd read NME or maybe, Melody Maker. If I want to know now what the hive is going to be listening to soon, Iâd take a look at Pitchfork, Stereogum.
How do you relate to your own records? Are you especially proud of certain songs, of certain records?
PMW: Iâve learnedâonly in the past 10 years actually, and only after Iâd slammed a door on the public, stopped playing and touring so long agoâthat thereâs something of you in every song youâve written and that often you can recognise the person who wrote them, but only as a distant stranger. Often you recognise them with regret. Iâve lost count of the times Iâve felt about my own workâSomeone wrote these songs, someone who resembled me. Where is he now? He has gone away. Songs use you up. Use your life up. It vanishes into them.
I do like No Song, No Spell, No Madrigal for various reasons. Because itâs the most recent. Because it was a struggle, but I got through it. Because I thought Iâd never make another record again. Because I see it as less of as a record than as a memorial. I like it because I tried new and different things. No Song, No Spell, No Madrigal; Swap Placesâtheyâre just 2 chord songs.
I like that I played the piano on it. I like it because I didnât strum the guitar the way I usually do, but played it like Peter Green on Albatross, one stroke for each chord. I like it because of Twenty One, which by the way has only 3 chords too. It was all a bit of a breakthrough for me. And I like it because the title track was the one I wrote last, just before I went into the studio. In the Tourneur movie, Out of the Past, the main guy Jeff says at one point,âMy feelings? About ten years ago, I hid them somewhere and havenât been able to find them.â I did not want to be that guy anymore, the one who went inside himself and never emerged again. I didnât want to that guy driving through the rain wondering where the good luck went.
I was surprised the record went down so well. Because itâs not the most upbeat collection of songs. Butâyou have what youâve been dealt. When someone asks âWhat was it like?â, the story you bring back is the answer. You tell it how you can, you canât dress it up to be more acceptably hopeful.
As for my older records, well Iâve gotten used to the fact that with each new record, the artist runs the risk of leaving people behind. Some people thought I never made a right move after the first EP. Some that we lost it after âthe evening visitsâŠâ. Some think we will never equal drift. Some that A Life Full of Farewells says it all, the others you can forget. Some think apart was the high point weâd been heading towards. So, you just learn to live with this and if people drop away, people drop away.
Luckily, every Apartments album has its loyalists. Not everyone likes the same ones with the same passion, but each of them has found a place in someoneâs lives. But the other good thing is that The Apartments seem to be always generating new fans too.
You seem very fond of performing live. Is it frustrating not to tour more often ? Do you miss playing for your fans more often?
PMW: Iâm lucky that people who were new to The Apartments and new to the songs, new to me came along and felt that the live shows meant something to them as well. That theyâre somehow memorable. I was pretty terrified about how the shows would go. I mean we were playing a full set of new songs, the new album. The band had never played them before and all of it was definitely making me anxious in the months beforehand.
But, I have a friend whoâs a skier, and when she was telling me about some of the runs sheâd done, I said she must be fearless. She said no, weâre full of fear. We just donât let the fear stop us. Great advice. And I was very lucky with this bandâI met up with Natasha and Antoine first, they played the whole No Song, No Spell perfectly, so I felt right then that it was going to work.
And I knew that Fab, and Eliot and Nick were just brilliant. We were very very lucky. The one weak link in this whole thing was always going to be me! And when you play live, songsâanyoneâs songsâcan draw people together into a kind of intimacy which can happen only then and there in the room. For some, it is unforgettable.
I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU LOSE YOURSELF PLAYING LIVE.
But I like the fact that you lose yourself playing live. I have a very different take on this to say, Joanna Newsom or Sufjan, in that âliveâ for me is always about being completely in the moment. Those beautiful note-perfect arrangements that JN and Sufjan do are the same in every room, on every night, for every audience. I have a different way of playing live.
When you play live, one of âyouâ disappears, another âyouâ emerges. The âIâ who writes the song, the âIâ who sings it, is another. You disappear into the time you are singing, you are fully present in it and you are purely youâbut then you emerge on the other side when the show is over as if it were a dream, but there is some evidence that it happened. Itâs as if you wake from the dream and there you are, suddenly back in that other practical world of cares and concerns. The other has vanished. âI feel myself inhabited by a force or beingâvery little known to me. It gives the orders; I followâ Cocteau said. But itâs that beautiful lapse of thinking, forgetting about yourself, that is promised by both the creative and the sensual life. Thatâs the rainbowâs end weâre always after. Always.
Why did you choose Microcultures to release No Song, No Spell, No Madrigal? To be close to your fans? To stay independent ? Because you distrust traditional labels? Because itâs French ?
PMW: I made this record long before I knew if anyone would release it or if anyone would get to hear it. I made it because I had to. I thought of it not as the next record but the last. But once I made it, I began to think about all the people Iâd met on the Autumn 2012 tour who said to me they were looking forward to a new album. I felt I owed it to these people, the ones who cared for the songs, should at least be offered them and MC was the best way to reach them I think.
I think my mind is just set in that one last roll of the dice way of thinking. And since I was, for good reason, out of the game for the longest time, I thought the fact that people were even interested was a miracle. Who would have thought, this far down the road, such a thing was possible? And while I think people realise what it took to get here, with this album, what it took personally, I have believed my entire life that songs are never just one personâs story, that people can see themselves reflected in the songs.
Pierre Lemarchand
Equilibre fragile, DIY Magazine and Label
November 2015
entretien avec PETER Milton Walsh PAR PIERRE LEMARCHAND
Publication originale dans Equilibre Fragile (magazine rock et folk indépendant)
Pensez-vous que la raretĂ© des disques de The Apartments (raretĂ© souvent contrainte, et non le fruit de choix dĂ©libĂ©rĂ©s) soit finalement une force? Cette raretĂ© nâentoure-t-telle pas le groupe dâun mystĂšre, dâun atypisme, dâune certaine prĂ©ciositĂ©?
PMW: Ca mâest difficile dâavoir un point de vue extĂ©rieur sur The Apartments. Je peux juste te parler de ce que je ressens de lâintĂ©rieur. Jâai toujours trouvĂ© ça dangereux de penser Ă la façon dont les gens te voient. Tu connais peut-ĂȘtre lâalbum des Artic Monkeys, Whatever people say I am, Thatâs what Iâm not, une phrase empruntĂ©e Ă Allan Sillitoe (1) ? Eh bien, câest exactement ça. Jâai appris trĂšs tĂŽt quâil Ă©tait impossible de contrĂŽler ou de comprendre la maniĂšre dont les gens te perçoivent. Je me souviens dâune attachĂ©e de communication Ă Rough Trade (2) qui mâa dit quâelle avait Ă©tĂ© surprise, la premiĂšre fois que je lâai rencontrĂ©e, de voir que je roulais des mĂ©caniques. Je ne crois pas que ce soit vrai mais je vois ce quâelle voulait dire : jâavais une confiance en moi que les autres musiciens indĂ©pendants nâavaient pas. A lâĂ©poque, les groupes indĂ© en Angleterre avaient tous une certaine innocence. JâĂ©tais plus vieux et jâavais plus dâexpĂ©rience. Jâavais habitĂ© dans plein de villes diffĂ©rentes et jâavais eu plusieurs vies. Je savais, au plus profond de moi-mĂȘme ce que câĂ©tait de perdre quelquâun.
THE APARTMENTS NâEST PAS UN GROUPE Ă MASCARA.
En musique il y a des hauts et des bas, des cycles, des modes. Jâai de la chance car mes chansons font toujours partie de la vie des gens. Comme je lui avais tournĂ© le dos, je pensais que le monde de la musique allait mâoublier mais je mâen moquaisâŠ. Je suis toujours agrĂ©ablement surpris de voir des gens Ă mes concerts et jâen suis trĂšs reconnaissant. Que mes chansons les touchent autant, que certains les Ă©coutent les larmes aux yeux, est quelque chose de trĂšs important pour moi. Comme le dit Natasha (3), The Apartments nâest pas un groupe Ă mascara. Quâils aient vĂ©cu ce que jâai vĂ©cu ou pas, je me dit que les gens perçoivent toute la sincĂ©ritĂ© que jâai mis dans ces chansons. Ils savent quâelles parlent tout simplement de la vie.
Et mĂȘme si ces chansons nâont jamais touchĂ© le grand public, mĂȘme si elles ont circulĂ© comme sous le manteau, ceux qui les ont Ă©coutĂ©es les ont aimĂ©es. Ceux qui les comprennent les comprennent vraiment. Ceux qui les aiment les aiment par-dessus tout. MĂȘme dans mes rĂȘves les plus fous je ne pouvais en demander plus. Je ne courrais dĂ©jĂ pas aprĂšs le succĂšs du temps oĂč jâavais un certain succĂšs, et Ă prĂ©sent cela mâimporte encore moins⊠Je ne peux pas ramener les gens sur les chemins du passĂ©. The Apartments sont passĂ©s au travers des mailles du filet, et tel Ă©tait leur destin. On ne peut pas vaincre le passĂ©, ni repartir de zĂ©ro. Il nây a donc aucun regret Ă avoir.
The Apartments ne semblent sâĂ©panouir que dans les ellipses et leur musique gĂ©nĂ©rer de longs silences ; que fait Peter Milton Walsh quand il ne compose pas, ne joue pas, nâenregistre pas?
PMW: Je passe mon temps Ă lire; je lis souvent plusieurs livres Ă la fois. Je vais au cinĂ©ma, je regarde des films chez moi, jâĂ©coute de la musique. Il y a des musiques que jâĂ©coute Ă certains moments de la journĂ©e, certains jours de la semaine. Ravel, câest le dimanche matin. On dit que Future Islands ou XX câest bien pour passer lâaspirateur, mais si vous devez nettoyer toute la maison, Chic ou mĂȘme James Brown sont bien meilleurs.
Ăa mâarrive de cuisiner. Il y a rien de mieux pour faire la cuisine que les B.O. de films. Des chansons des spectacles musicaux, les standards du Great American Songbook (4). Par principe, je ne fais pas de gĂąteaux. Et soit dit en passant, je pense que le GĂąteau dâAmour (5) ne devrait ĂȘtre cuisinĂ© que par Catherine Deneuve en personne.
Certaines B.O., comme le musique de Chinatown de Jerry Goldsmith par exemple, sont trĂšs dangereuses. Elles te donnent un peu trop envie dâouvrir une bonne bouteille!
Jâessaye dâavoir une vie simple. SimplicitĂ© et sensualitĂ© sont tout ce dont jâai besoin. Je dois cependant avouer que je suis souvent dĂ©bordĂ©, dĂ©sordonnĂ©, et que je me laisse dĂ©concentrer un peu trop facilement. Dans la piĂšce oĂč jâĂ©cris, il y a un piano, une table en bois avec une machine Ă Ă©crire, des Ă©tagĂšres remplies de livres et des tonnes dâalbums et de 45 tours. Pas dâinternet. MalgrĂ© tout ça, il y a des jours oĂč je ne produis rien du tout.
Vous semblez trĂšs attentif Ă ce qui se fait aujourdâhui en musique, aux jeunes artistes⊠Comment vous tenez-vous au courant?
PMW: Ăa arrive naturellement. On ne peut pas sâempĂȘcher de dĂ©couvrir de nouvelles musiques. Elles sont des courants qui traversent constamment nos vies. De plus, jâai une famille, une femme, deux adolescents (un fils et une fille), qui vivent encore Ă la maison et qui Ă©coutent de la musique. Jâai un autoradio dans la voiture, Spotify, YouTube comme tout le monde. De temps en temps une chanson attire mon attention. La premiĂšre fois que jâai entendu mon fils Ă©couter King Krule Ă fond dans sa chambre, je me suis dit : « Cool, Fat City » (une chanson dâAlan Vega et Alex Chilton) 6. Je me suis trompé⊠Ceci dit jâaime toujours le King. Lorsque mon fils avait 12 ou 13 ans, il y avait un moment oĂč il Ă©coutait du dubstep (Skrillex, etc.) toute la journĂ©e. Jâai fait ce quâun pĂšre aimant doit faire: je lui ai demandĂ© de prendre ses affaires et de quitter la maison.
Et bien-sĂ»r quand tu es sur internet tu ne sais pas oĂč donner de la tĂȘte. Tu dois faire un effort pour ne pas dĂ©couvrir de nouvelles chansons. Je me rends compte que la musique mâobsĂšde autant que quand jâĂ©tais enfant. Quand je dĂ©couvre une chanson qui me plaĂźt, je lâĂ©coute en boucle. Au dĂ©but de The Apartments, si tu voulais savoir ce qui Ă©tait populaire ou ce que serait la nouvelle tendance, tu lisais le New Musical Express ou le Melody Maker. Câest pareil aujourdâhui: si je veux savoir ce ce qui sâĂ©coute dans la blogosphere, je jette un coup dâĆil Ă Pitchfork ou Ă Stereogum.
Quel rapport entretenez-vous avec vos propres disques ? Y a-t-il des chansons dont vous soyez particuliĂšrement fier ? Ou un disque?
PMW: Câest seulement rĂ©cemment, au cours des dix derniĂšres annĂ©es, aprĂšs avoir arrĂȘtĂ© de tourner, que je me suis rendu compte que lâon met quelque chose de nous-mĂȘme dans chaque chanson que lâon Ă©crit et que lâon peut reconnaĂźtre celui quâon Ă©tait quand on a Ă©crit la chanson. Mais il y a comme une distance. Il y a souvent aussi du regret. Jâai cessĂ© de compter le nombre de fois oĂč je me suis dit Ă propos dâune de mes chansons : « Celui qui a Ă©crit cette chanson me ressemble. OĂč est-il passĂ© ? Il a disparu. » Les chansons se nourrissent de vous, de votre vie, et lâabsorbent Ă jamais.
Jâaime beaucoup lâalbum No Song, No Spell, No Madrigal pour plein de raisons diffĂ©rentes. Parce que câest le plus rĂ©cent. Parce que ça a Ă©tĂ© une lutte, que jâai finalement emportĂ©e. Parce que je pensais que ce serait mon dernier. Parce que je le vois moins comme un album que comme une ode Ă la mĂ©moire de quelquâun. Parce que jây ai lancĂ© de nouvelles pistes : No Song, No Spell, No Madrigal et Swap Places sont des chansons construites sur seulement deux accords. Je lâaime car jây joue du piano. Jâaime cet album car je nâai pas grattĂ© ma guitare comme je le fais dâhabitude mais ai jouĂ© Ă la façon de Peter Green sur Albatross (7): un seul battement pour chaque accord. Je lâaime Ă cause de Twenty One qui, soit dit en passant, est une chanson avec seulement trois accords. Tout cela a constituĂ© pour moi une sorte de rĂ©volution. Enfin jâaime ce disque parce que la chanson qui a donnĂ© son titre Ă lâalbum a Ă©tĂ© composĂ©e en dernier, juste avant dâentrer en studio.
Dans le film de Tourner, Out Of The Past (8), le personnage principal Jeff dit Ă un moment: « Mes sentiments? Il y a dix ans de cela, je les ai cachĂ©s quelque part et nâai jamais su les retrouver depuis. » Je ne voulais pas ĂȘtre ce mec qui sâest coupĂ© du monde et qui nâest jamais revenu. Je ne voulais pas ĂȘtre ce mec qui conduit sous la pluie et se demande pourquoi la chance de lui sourit plus (9).
Ca mâa vraiment surpris que le disque soit si bien accueilli. Parce que ce nâest pas lâalbum le plus optimiste du monde. Mais bon tu ne choisis pas ton destin. Et quand quelquâun vient te demander : « Comment as-tu pu vivre ça ? », lâhistoire que tu lui rapportes constitue la meilleure des rĂ©ponses. Tu la racontes comme tu peux. Et tu ne peux pas lâenjoliver en espĂ©rant quâelle passera mieux.
En regardant en arriĂšre, jâai acceptĂ© le fait quâĂ chaque album un artiste prend le risque de perdre des fans en route. Certains pensent quâon nâa rien fait de mieux que notre premier EP. Dâautres que lâon sâest fourvoyĂ©s aprĂšs the evening visits⊠Dâautres pensent quâon nâarrivera jamais Ă Ă©galer Drift. Certains fans disent quâon a tout dit dans A Life Full Of Farewells et que lâon peut oublier tout le reste. Pour dâautres, enfin, Apart est le sommet que nous ne pourrons jamais dĂ©passer. Sâil faut perdre des gens en route, câest comme ça : il faut lâaccepter. Ce qui est bien en revanche câest que chaque album de The Apartments a ses dĂ©fenseurs. Personne nâaime les disques du groupe avec la mĂȘme intensitĂ©, mais chacun dâentre eux a su trouver sa place dans la vie de tas de gens. Et lâautre bon cĂŽtĂ©, câest que The Apartments parviennent Ă toucher de nouveaux fans Ă chaque fois.
Vous semblez apprĂ©cier de jouer en concert. Si câest bien le cas, ces longs silences ne sont-ils pas douloureux, ne gĂ©nĂšrent-ils pas une frustration, un manque, une souffrance ? Etre privĂ© de ce contact avec votre public nâest-il pas difficile ?
PMW: Il y a des gens qui ne connaissaient pas The Apartments, ni nos albums, qui sont venus aux concerts et qui ont Ă©tĂ© touchĂ©s. On a eu beaucoup de chance. JâĂ©tais terrifiĂ© Ă lâidĂ©e de partir en tournĂ©e. Parce quâon allait jouer un nouveau set et dĂ©fendre le dernier album. Le groupe nâavait jamais jouĂ© les nouvelles chansons, et cela mâa vraiment angoissĂ© durant les mois qui ont prĂ©cĂ©dĂ© la tournĂ©e. Je me souviens avoir dit Ă une amie skieuse, lorsquâelle me racontait ses descentes, quâelle Ă©tait intrĂ©pide. Elle mâa rĂ©pondu que non, que tout le monde avait peur. On doit juste lâempĂȘcher de nous submerger. TrĂšs bon conseil. Et jâai eu beaucoup de chance dâavoir ce groupe avec moi. Dans un premier temps, jâai travaillĂ© avec Natasha et Antoine qui ont jouĂ© Ă la perfection lâintĂ©gralitĂ© de No Song, No Spell, No Madrigal. LĂ , jâai senti que tout aller fonctionner, dâautant que je savais que Fab, Eliot et Nick (10) sont des musiciens fantastiques. Oui, beaucoup, beaucoup de chance⊠Le maillon faible, sâil devait en avoir un, ça allait de toute façon ĂȘtre moi.
En tournĂ©e, les chansons â nâimporte quelles chansons â crĂ©ent une intimitĂ© entre les gens, une intimitĂ© qui ne peux se crĂ©er que dans le ici et le maintenant du concert. Et en cela, câest inoubliable.
JâAIME ME PERDRE EN CONCERT.
A la diffĂ©rence de Joanna Newsom ou Sufjan Stevens, pour moi, faire un concert câest ĂȘtre complĂštement dans le moment prĂ©sent. Les notes que jouent Joanna Newsom et Sufjan Stevens, les arrangements quâils composent, sont superbes mais sont les mĂȘmes quels que soient les concerts et les lieux oĂč ils jouent. Jâai une autre façon dâapprĂ©hender le live. En concert, il y a un « moi » qui disparaĂźt et un autre « moi » qui apparaĂźt. Il y a le « moi » qui a Ă©crit la chanson et le « moi » qui la chante. Tu disparais dans le ici et le maintenant du concert, et tu es en mĂȘme temps totalement prĂ©sent au monde, tu es absolument toi-mĂȘme. Et, Ă la fin du concert, câest comme si tu te rĂ©veillais du rĂȘve, tout en sachant que tout cela Ă©tait bien rĂ©el.
Tu redĂ©couvres le monde, avec son lot de soucis et de difficultĂ©s. Lâautre monde a disparu. Cocteau disait quâil se sentait habitĂ© par une force qui lui Ă©tait inconnue, qui lui donnait des ordres et Ă laquelle il obĂ©issait (11). Câest beau cette façon que lâon a de se perdre dans lâacte crĂ©atif. On arrĂȘte de penser. Câest comme la sensualitĂ©. Tout le monde court aprĂšs. Absolument tout le monde.
Pourquoi avoir fait le choix de Microcultures pour publier le disque No Song No Spell No Madrigal ? Un souci de proximitĂ© avec votre public ? Une volontĂ© dâindĂ©pendance par rapport Ă lâindustrie du disque ? Une dĂ©fiance quant aux labels traditionnels ? Le choix de la France?
PMW: Jâai fait ce disque bien avant de savoir si sâil serait publiĂ© et si quiconque lâĂ©couterait un jour. Je lâai fait car je devais le faire. Je lâimaginais non comme mon prochain disque, mais comme lâultime. Mais une fois quâil a Ă©tĂ© rĂ©alisĂ©, je me suis mis Ă penser Ă tous ces gens que jâavais pu rencontrer lors de la tournĂ©e de lâautomne 2012 et qui mâavaient confiĂ© espĂ©rer un nouveau disque de The Apartments. Je me suis dit que je devais donner, Ă toutes ces personnes pour qui ma musique comptait, la possibilitĂ© dâentendre mes nouvelles chansons. Il me semble que Microcultures Ă©tait le meilleur moyen de pouvoir toucher tous ces gens.
« Un dernier coup de dĂ©s » : voilĂ oĂč jâen Ă©tait. Et comme, pour des raisons bien comprĂ©hensibles, je mâĂ©tais retirĂ© du jeu pendant si longtemps, il mâest apparu miraculeux que ça puisse intĂ©resser quelquâun. Qui aurait pu penser, avec le recul, quâune telle chose puisse arriver ? Et je sais que les gens se rendent compte ce que ça mâa coĂ»tĂ© pour en arriver lĂ , avec cet album, ce que ça mâa coĂ»tĂ© personnellement. Cela me renforce dans la conviction que les chansons ne sont jamais que lâhistoire dâun individu, mais que chacun peut se voir dans leur reflet.
Pierre Lemarchand
Traduction : My North Eye & Pierre Lemarchand
Equilibre fragile, DIY Magazine and Label
Novembre 2015
1 « Quoique les gens disent sur moi, câest ce que je ne suis pas ». Alan Sillitoe est un Ă©crivain britannique qui Ă©voqua dans ses livres les classes populaires (Samedi soir, dimanche matin -1958, la Solitude du coureur de fond â 1959).
2 Rough Trade est le label anglais qui signa le premier album de The Apartments, The Evening VisitsâŠ
3 Natasha Penot, du groupe français Grisbi, chante au sein des Apartments sur le disque et la tournée « No Song No Spell No Madrigal ».
4 Le grand rĂ©pertoire de la chanson amĂ©ricaine des annĂ©es 20 Ă 50, câest-Ă -dire avant lâarrivĂ©e du rockânâroll
5 Le GĂąteau dâAmour est cuisinĂ© par Catherine Deneuve dans le film Peau dâĂne de Jacques Demy.
6 Chanson extraite du disque co-signé par Alan Vega, Alex Chilton et Ben Vaughn, Cubist Blues (Thirsty Ear, 1996)
7 Peter Green était le guitariste de Fleetwood Mac. Peter Milton Walsh fait ici référence au morceau instrumental Albatross que le groupe faisait paraßtre en 1968 sur un 45 tours sous label Blue Horizon.
8 Out Of The Past, avec Robert Mitchum et Jane Greer, a été réalisé par Jacques Tourneur en 1947.
9 Peter fait rĂ©fĂ©rence aux paroles de sa chanson No Song, No Spell, No Madrigal (« Donât wanna be that guy / Driving through the rain / Wondering where the good luck went »)
10 Eliot Fish (basse), Nick Allum (batterie), Fabien Tessier (claviers), Antoine Chaperon (guitare) et Natasha Penot (chant) constituaient avec Peter la formation des Apartments lors de la tournĂ©e française dâautomne 2015.
11 Voici la citation originale de Jean Cocteau Ă laquelle Peter fait rĂ©fĂ©rence : « Les poĂštes ne sont que les domestiques dâune force qui les habite, dâun maĂźtre qui les emploie et dont ils ne connaissent mĂȘme pas le visage qui nâest peut-ĂȘtre que le leur. »
the evening visitsâŠand stays for years. Notes by Robert Forster (The Go-Betweens)
for captured tracks 2015 reissue of the evening visitsâŠ
In the small but vibrant Brisbane punk/new wave scene of the late Seventies, it seemed that everyone knew or knew of everyone else. Peter Milton Walsh, though, was someone that fellow Go-Between Grant McLennan and I had heard of before we had met him. The mysteries and myths that loom large over the man and his music didnât begin on early Eighties New York rooftops or in Sydney terraced houses or during Summer days at Keats Grove by Hampstead Heath. There they were enhanced but Peter, from first acquaintance, came with whispers and claims on his trailâa princely person more formed than most, certainly more than Grant and I.
We asked him into The Go-Betweens when a world wide contract was waved at us and he played some great guitar on recordings we made. His band, however, was The Apartments. Peter was always a leader, and his group was alive and dangerous from the get-go. Grant and I saw most shows they did in their first incarnation, when the freshly written Help and Nobody Like You were performed. It was a time when everything could be clocked, when every good song that anyone in town had was known to us, and these songs were in direct relation/competition to what we thought were the very best of our own. Itâs such a small world, I saw it first. Baby begs for kisses, all on Sunday. These and other lines rang out and were received. There was another pop-poet in town; a band and a songwriter feeding on the small, static scene and aware that there was more to music, more to life, than that which might be gained from the latest Buzzcocks single. The Apartments, Act I, were a sight to behold.
Then things got foggy. Travel. New cities. Brisbane had two good years of energy in it but no more. The Go-Betweens crept on, The Apartments stopped, Peter as indomitable spirit remained. He was ghostly. A correspondent through letters, someone you saw for a night only to then vanish. Again he became a person of heroic unseen exploits, head shaking stuff that got passed around kitchens and bars. His music was fracturing and growing, which continued a symbiosis between himself and The Go-Betweens, as we both tried to attach new feelings to new music.
This was difficultâa world was trying to be invented but a lack of money and recognition conspired against it. Everybody who was pushing was struggling. And the times when Grant, Lindy and I did wonder how and why to go onâa new song, a visit, a letter or a quote would come through from Peter, and the three of us, with inspiration again in pocket, would turn back to the crusade.
Which is why in Eastbourne in late â82, when The Go-Betweens were recording Before Hollywood, Grant could easily ask me, âCan you help with a lyric to this song? Itâs about Peter Walshâ. (An historical note. Peter Milton Walsh would have to be the only person of male gender to inspire two Go-Betweens songsâThat Way, just mentioned, and Donât Let Him Come Back)
CAN YOU HELP WITH A LYRIC TO THIS SONG? ITâS ABOUT PETER WALSH
All You Wanted was Peterâs return to The Apartments, to songs, to sha-la-la. Itâs no surprise that this number and others destined for the evening visitsâŠand stays for years were written during a long sojourn in New York. Peter was of a New York State Of Mind; his adhesion to the city not just through the Brill Building/Commander Lou Reed/scratch and electricity of 70s CBGBâs axis, but to a time before, of Moon River and Capote, Andy before the soup cansâand Sinatra. After all, the band was named after a Billy Wilder filmâand the best Wilder film at that.
My favourite cuts today, (it may change tomorrowâlight rain would immediately turn me to All The Birthdays and Speechless With Tuesday), are the pop songsâWhatâs The Morning For? and Great Fool, the latter with its The ki-i-ind who ke-e-eep the wo-or-orld al-i-ight chorus, the philosophical cri de couer of the album. Day comes up sicker than a cat, off Mr Somewhere is of course, one of the best opening lines of all time. Grant and I took note, and from mid-1985 on the lesson was put into practice; the beauty and impact of first lines had to be improved.
The instrumentation on the album was rich, and one of the reasons why the record has lasted. There are many more things to be said in praise of the songwriting and the impassioned singing, but I shall leave that to the scholars. I am a fanâand itâs wonderful to be reacquainted with the album.
Robert Forster
Geiselhöring, Bavaria
January, 2014
the evening visits⊠and stays for years
NOTES BY ROBERT FORSTER (THE GO-BETWEENS)
Traduction française de Richard Robertâcompositeur, chanteur, critique musical (Les Inrockuptibles, LâOreille Absolue), programmateur des Nuits de FourviĂšre (Lyon)
A la fin des annĂ©es 70, les groupes punk et new wave de Brisbane formaient une scĂšne modeste mais vibrante, oĂč tout le monde semblait, de prĂšs ou de loin, se connaĂźtre. Mais Peter Milton Walsh, lui, Ă©tait quelquâun dont mon camarade des Go-Betweens Grant McLennan et moi-mĂȘme avions entendu parler avant mĂȘme de lâavoir rencontrĂ©. Pour Ă©clore, les mystĂšres et les mythes planant au-dessus de cet homme et de sa musique nâallaient pas attendre les toits du New York du dĂ©but des annĂ©es 80, les rangĂ©es de maisons de Sydney ni les journĂ©es dâĂ©tĂ© passĂ©es Ă Keats Grove, prĂšs de Hampstead Heath. En ces lieux, ils allaient certessâ Ă©paissir; mais lors de notre premiĂšre rencontre, Peter traĂźnait dĂ©jĂ dans son sillage son lot de cris et de chuchotements â il Ă©tait cette personne Ă lâĂ©lĂ©gance princiĂšre, plus mature que la moyenne, en tout cas bien plus que Grant et moi pouvions lâĂȘtre.
Nous lui demandĂąmes dâintĂ©grer The Go-Betweens alors quâon nous agitait un contrat international sous le nez, et il joua de superbes parties de guitare sur nos enregistrements. Mais son groupe Ă lui câĂ©tait The Apartments. Peter Ă©tait un leader Ă plein temps, et son groupe avait Ă©tĂ© un concurrent actif et trĂšs sĂ©rieux dĂšs le dĂ©part. Grant et moi avions vu la plupart des concerts que le groupe, dans sa premiĂšre mouture, avait pu donner, quand il jouait les tout frais Help ou Nobody Like You. CâĂ©tait une Ă©poque oĂč lâimpact de toute chose pouvait vite ĂȘtre mesurĂ©, oĂč toute nouvelle bonne chanson de nâimporte quel songwriter en ville nous Ă©tait connue, et entrait directement en corrĂ©lation/compĂ©tition avec ce que nous estimions ĂȘtre nos propres morceaux de bravoure. âItâs such a small world, I saw it firstâ. âBaby begs for kisses that fall on Sundaysâ. Parmi tant dâautres,ces vers auront rĂ©sonnĂ© et captĂ© lâattention. Un nouveau poĂšte pop Ă©tait en ville ; un groupe et un songwriter se nourrissant de cette petite scĂšne stagnante, conscients que, dans la musique comme dans la vie, il y avait bien plus Ă entrevoir que ce quâon pouvait gagner Ă lâĂ©coute du dernier simple des Buzzcocks. The Apartments, acte premier, valait sacrĂ©ment le coup dâĆil.
Et puis les choses sâembrouillĂšrent. Des voyages. De nouvelles villes. La belle Ă©nergie de Brisbane dura deux ans, puis sâĂ©vanouit. Les Go Betweens avançaient sans fracas; The Apartments sâarrĂȘta; Peter, tel un esprit indomptable, Ă©tait toujours lĂ . Il devint fantomatique. Un correspondant Ă©pistolaire, un compagnon dâun soir qui disparaissait aussitĂŽt. Il Ă©tait Ă nouveau cet homme capable dâexploits hĂ©roĂŻques dĂ©robĂ©s Ă la vue du nombre, de morceaux jubilatoires qui circulaient de bars en cuisines. Sa musique Ă©tait Ă la fois en rupture et en dĂ©veloppement, prolongeant la symbiose avec The Go-Betweensâpuisque nous tentions nous aussi de rattacher de nouveaux sentiments Ă une nouvelle musique.
CâĂ©tait une pĂ©riode compliquĂ©eâun monde tentait desâinventer, mais le manque dâargent et de reconnaissance se liguait contre lui. Quiconque essayait de percer Ă©tait en difficultĂ©. Câest dans les moments oĂč Grant, Lindy et moi nous demandions comment et pourquoi continuer, que nous recevions une nouvelle chanson, une visite, unelettre ou une phrase de Peter ; et tous trois, de lâinspiration Ă nouveau plein les poches, repartions alors en croisade.
Voila pourquoi, fin 1982, Ă Eastbourne, alors que les Go Betweens enregistraient Before Hollywood, Grant vint en toute simplicitĂ© me demander: âPourrais-tu me donner un coup de main sur les paroles de cette chanson? Câest Ă propos de Peter Walshâ. (Fait historique: Peter Milton Walsh restera la seule personne de sexe masculin a avoir inspirĂ© deux chansons des Go-BetweensâThat Way, Ă©voquĂ©e Ă lâinstant, et Donât Let Him Come Back)
POURRAIS-TU ME DONNERUN COUP DE MAIN SUR LES PAROLES DE CETTE CHANSON ? CâEST Ă PROPOS DE PETER WALSH
All You Wanted marqua le retour de Peter Ă The Apartments, aux chansons, au sha-la-la. Il nâest guĂšre surprenant que ce morceau et dâautres, destinĂ©s Ă the evening visitsâŠand stays for years, furent Ă©tĂ© Ă©crits lors dâun long sĂ©jour Ă New York. Peter avait lâEtat dâEsprit New Yorkais; son attachement Ă cette ville ne se rĂ©sumait pas Ă lâaxe reliant le Brill Building, le Commandant Lou Reed et les griffures Ă©lectriques du CBGB des seventies: il remontait Ă une Ă©poque plus lointaine, celle de Moon River et de Capote, dâAndy avant ses boĂźtes de soupe â et de Sinatra. AprĂšs tout, le groupe avait tirĂ© son nom dâun film de Billy Wilderâet le meilleur film de Wilder, avec ça.
Mes morceaux favoris aujourdâhui (il est possible que cela change demainâune pluie fine me ramĂšnerait immĂ©diatement vers All The Birthdays et Speechless With Tuesday) sont les chansons popâWhatâs The Morning For et Great Fool, cette derniĂšre avec le âThe ki-i-ind who ke-e-eep the wo-or-orld al-i-ightâ de son refrain, le cri du cĆur philosophique de lâalbum.
âDay comes up sicker than a catâ, sur Mr Somewhere, est bien Ă©videmment lâun des plus grands incipits de tous les temps. Grant et moi en prĂźmes note, et Ă partir de 1985, la leçon fut retenue et appliquĂ©e ; la beautĂ© et lâimpact des premiĂšres lignes se devaient dâĂȘtre perfectionnĂ©s.
Lâinstrumentation sur cet album est riche, et câest lâune des raisons pour lesquelles il nâa pas vieilli. Il y aurait tellement dâautres louanges Ă dresser en lâhonneur de ce songwriting et de ce chant tout en ferveur, mais je vais laisser cela aux spĂ©cialistes. Je suis un fan, et il est merveilleux de redĂ©couvrir ce disque.
Robert Forster
Geiselhöring, BaviÚre
Janvier 2014
I Thought It Put A Stop To Songs Forever
First issue in Mess+Noise (online magazine)
After completing The Apartmentsâ fifth album in the 1990s, Peter Milton Walsh watched in horror as his life echoed the darkest portent of his lyrics. In the midst of a gradual return following a decadeâs absence, the revered Brisbane songwriter recounts for ANDREW STAFFORD the making of 1997âs underrated apart and the personal tragedy that changed him forever.
Peter Milton Walsh was on a roll. It was 1996, and the singer-songwriter behind The Apartments â who had emerged from the same post-Saints Brisbane scene that gave birth to The Go-Betweens and The Riptides â was onto his fourth album in four years. drift, fĂȘte foraine and A Life Full of Farewells had all met with acclaim, and if they hadnât done a great deal to boost his reputation in his home country, theyâd cemented it in Europe.
Prior to this, Walsh had spent much of the 1980s âlike a scrap of paper, blown down the windy streets of the world.â Heâd had a couple of real successes: the haunting, cello-soaked elegy Mr. Somewhere, from The Apartmentsâ 1985 Rough Trade album the evening visitsâŠand stays for years, was later covered by 4ADâs shape-shifting ensemble This Mortal Coil. Another song, The Shyest Time, appeared in the John Hughes film Some Kind of Wonderful at the height of Hughesâ fame. âSometimes it seemed like I got one lucky break after another and I didnât hold onto any of them,â he says. âFugitives might have had more stability.â
Finally, though, life had settled, and it was good. Walsh was working a straight but rewarding job in Sydney, anchored by his wife and their young son Riley. Around that, he had constructed an alternative existence as a recording artist that was almost clandestine. Being recognised in Europe before Australia had its advantages. âIf you offered me the choice of whether to be unknown here or unknown in Europe, I admit I would go for unknown here,â Walsh says. âHaving that distance has enabled me to live very quietly â lead a double life, even a secret and quite fine one here.â
Songs were flowing. The new album would be different, as different as each had been from their immediate predecessors. Three short, piano-based snippets â Doll Hospital, Your Ambulance Rides and Place of Bones â linked eight major pieces with rich, almost baroque arrangements. âIâd written not only the songs but some string, woodwind, brass and piano parts, and I just wanted to try something I never had before,â he says. âWe all get restless. Sometimes we get tired of ourselves.â
A WORLD EXISTED SOMEWHERE IN WHICH THE SONGS WOULD DEEPLY CONNECT
To play these songs, Walsh needed a new band. He met Gene Maynard, a drummer who âhad such fantastic swing.â He then contacted The Cruel Seaâs Ken Gormley, âa great, instinctive player with a beautiful feel. I was very surprised when I asked and he said yes.â
The result was Walshâs least-known but quite possibly best album, apart. A lush, moving piece of work, it was also the last record Walsh would make until last yearâs single Black Ribbons. There had been a 15-year silence. âI always had a hunch that what I did might appeal to a particular sensibility, that a world existed somewhere in which the songs would deeply connect,â he says. apart, perhaps, is a world unto itself. Itâs a shame more people in this one havenât heard it.
Which is not to say that the album is difficult or self-indulgent. It is merely singular. After Doll Hospital â a slightly jarring 26 seconds of a few repeated piano notes â thereâs barely a pause before a low, melancholy blast of trumpet introducing No Hurry. It sounds like a foghorn blowing across a bay, and Walsh is being carried along like one of the those scraps of paper. âThe days are getting longer,â he croons, backed by loping groove from Gormley. âNight comes down so late.â
âI wanted to get some of that slow sensuality of summer into a song,â Walsh says in hindsight, and perhaps itâs a metaphor for Walshâs old hometown of Brisbane: âI got no ambition, Iâll sleep by the lazy river/Someone slowed the whole world down, in the old town called the pastâŠâ The music matches the lyric, the semi-orchestral arrangement never cluttered, âdrifting along just like smoke.â
Breakdown in Vera Cruz ascends from peak to peak, piano and percussion driving the verses, trumpet and strings holding up a majestic chorus. But underneath the song is desperately sad, a story of a dissolute but codependent coupling: âThey talked a little bit/Then things just went all quiet again/What they haveâs on the skids/He depends on her, she depends on gin.â A drawn-out coda ends with a shiver of cello and violin.
Something to Live For is about marriage, fatherhood and letting go of the past. At the time, Walsh was writing the album three days a week and spending the other two with Riley. Playing music isnât that important in the greater scheme of things: âTravelling man, a travelling band, the lights go out one by one/A daddy does what he has to do, the circus moves on.â âLearning the meaning of gratitude,â Walsh explains. âTrying to be good.â Itâs the most optimistic, uplifting song on apart.
Things take a left turn with the appearance of Walshâs longtime fan Dave Graney, doing his best Philip Marlowe impression as he narrates the tone poem âWelcome to Walsh Worldâ. Gently brushed drums, more strings and lyrics that would do Lou Reed at his most narcissistic, early-â70s best proud. If thereâs a parallel to be made here, conscious or otherwise, Apart might be likened to an Antipodean equivalent of Berlin, Reedâs bleak masterpiece of domestic melodrama.
The second half of the album opens with Friday Rich/Saturday Poor. It was an old tune for Walsh, having been demoed in 1990. After apartâs release in France, Lanvin, which was launching a new perfume, came close to using this song in an advertising campaign throughout Europe â I imagine it was the seductive introductory flourish of violin that they were after. Walsh demurs: âI liked to tell myself it was because of the prospect of decadence within the lyrics.â Lanvin ended up going with a track by Finley Quaye instead. âIâm sure the perfume sank without a trace; that wouldnât have happened with Friday Rich,ââ the author deadpans.
World of Liars is a big, slow ballad in an album that seems full of them, but itâs the sparest â no strings or brass this time, just the core of Walsh on piano, accompanied by Gormley and Maynard, with some deft hand percussion. Cheerleader underscores a more unexpected influence: the Bristol sounds of Massive Attack, Portishead and Tricky, who is name-checked in No Hurry. Itâs a showcase for Gormley in particular, whose descending bass line provides the hook of a song that relies on atmosphere more than structure.
All this is leading up to Apartâs final statement. Everythingâs Given to Be Taken Away opens in a similar manner to No Hurry, and reprises some of its lyrical themes of wasted potential: âThereâs a rose that blossoms in the barrel/For each lost little girl.â It begins with just piano chords and the soft sound of Walshâs voice before Gormley and Maynard enter, drawing the song out. Strings rush in like the climactic moment in The Beatlesâ A Day in the Life, until finally the song explodes into a chorus of ba-ba-baâs thatâs at once childlike and exquisitely wistful.
And then, it all became horribly prophetic. On the final day of mixing, Walsh took a phone call from his GP. âRileyâs blood tests had come back,â Walsh remembers. ââYou have to take him to the Westmead Hospital right now,â she said. âRight now?â I asked. âStraight away â Iâve rung, and told the specialist youâre coming.â
âWhat got to me was the songwriterâs fear; firstly that the songs are omens, finally that the songs have come true.â Riley used to sing along to those ba-ba-baâs; the three instrumentals, with their haunted titles, had also been floating around for some time, long before there was an inkling of anything being wrong. âThe fact that I wrote such a song, and that I wrote it before things came to an end â before we lost Riley â that stopped me, and I thought it put a stop to songs forever,â he says. âI didnât know if I could find my way back to who I was before he died, but really, I didnât think I should, either.â
It would be over a decade later before The Apartments would re-emerge: firstly with a discreet run of shows in Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney, followed by a gig in Paris a couple of years later. With no advertising or press support, the night was a sellout, as was another rooftop set in Paris last year, at the invitation of a French magazine. âA journalist who came along, some girl who said sheâd never heard of me until she found World of Liars on YouTube ⊠said, âHow do you explain this?â ⊠I had to tell her I donât do explanations and I never question this, because it might imperil it. I am happy to do what I do in the glow of this benevolent mystery.
âI remember the record company warning me when I refused to tour to promote apart: âNo one knows where youâve gone or why ⊠People will forget you. You have to top up the goodwill; release something new, to remind them.â I just remember thinking, you know, I couldnât care less. If they need to be reminded, they never got me in the first place.â
Andrew Stafford
messandnoise.com, Australiaâs premier alternative music community and online magazine
August 21 2012
En vĂ©ritĂ©, je nâai jamais manquĂ© de chansons
Interview parue sur la BlogothĂšque (online magazine)
Mercredi 4 novembre, 9h12 Ă Paris. Dans six jours, Peter Milton Walsh sera de retour sur une scĂšne (jâallais dire une scĂšne française, mais disons, une scĂšne, une scĂšne tout court). Je vous avoue que jâai encore du mal Ă y croire, et pourtant il est lĂ , il est Ă Paris (enfin, normalement, si tout va bien !) Je termine la retranscription de cette interview dans lâavion qui revient de New York (oĂč nous venons de jouer avec 49 Swimming Pools), et Peter, lui, doit ĂȘtre Ă Paris depuis lundi soir. Plus tard, dans la soirĂ©e, quand la BlogothĂšque publiera ce texte, on sera sans doute occupĂ©s Ă boire un verre. Ou dix. On ne sâest pas vu depuis quatorze ans.
Ces derniers jours, Peter a rĂ©pondu Ă quelques questions, par e-mails successifs, alors quâil Ă©tait encore Ă Sydney. En voici la transcription. DrĂŽle dâinterview, sinueuse, un peu dĂ©routante, en plusieurs morceaux que jâai essayĂ© de recoller le moins mal possible (jâutilise aussi un long mail quâil a envoyĂ© Ă Olivier Granoux, de TĂ©lĂ©rama/Sortir ). La pensĂ©e de Peter est, vous le verrez, Ă la fois particuliĂšrement affutĂ©e, et dâune profondeur qui filera le frisson Ă ceux pour qui ses disques sont des trĂ©sors intimes. Notre grand ami dâAustralie y glisse aussi, au dĂ©tour dâune question, quelques mots qui expliquent pourquoi nous Ă©tions sans nouvelles depuis plus de dix ans, quelques mots dâun drame familial terrible que je ne pensais pas quâil Ă©voquerait ici. Il le fait avec un courage infini, et avec une pudeur que je demande Ă ceux qui souhaiteront discuter un moment avec lui la semaine prochaine de respecter absolument.
Chacun pourra dĂ©sormais comprendre pourquoi ce retour est un pas gigantesque dans la vie de Peter. Sâil le fait en France, je pense que câest parce quâil a la conviction que nous saurons lui renvoyer un peu de la joie profonde quâil a nous a donnĂ©e avec ses disques depuis le milieu des annĂ©es 80. Donnons-lui raison, ladies and gentlemen, letâs be good to him, like heâs g(o)od to us. (ET)
Peter, Ă quoi ressemble ta vie en 2009 ?
A une rue dans un quartier de Sydney, Australie. Une famille, une maison, une cour Ă lâarriĂšre de la maison, un piano, quelques guitares, un petit studio dâenregistrement. Mes enfants jouent de la flute, de la clarinette et du piano. Jâai eu toutes sortes de boulots, dans tous les genres, dans plein dâendroits diffĂ©rents. Motivation unique : me faire un peu dâargent, ce qui nâa jamais Ă©tĂ© mon fort dans la vie.
Le dernier boulot que jâai pris mâa Ă©tĂ© proposĂ© Ă un moment oĂč jâavais envie de disparaĂźtre, et câest exactement ce qui sâest passĂ© : ce boulot mâa permis ça, une forme de soustraction. Jâai Ă©tĂ©, pendant un long moment, comme un homme dĂ©guisĂ©, un homme qui dĂ©cide de sâeffacer. Parfois, les gens font ça : ils se trouvent un visage derriĂšre lequel se planquer, un visage qui cache le chaos intĂ©rieur. En vĂ©ritĂ©, je nâai jamais manquĂ© de chansons. Jâai surtout manquĂ© de cĆur.
Tu avais donc bel et bien arrĂȘtĂ© la musique ?
Publiquement, oui. Je nâavais plus la force⊠Les groupes, câest comme des ancres de bateau. Câest comme votre travail, votre maison, votre famille, ça vous donne un repĂšre. Mais parfois les repĂšres se brouillent⊠Un groupe, ça peut aussi vous aider Ă rester debout, Ă rester dâun bloc. Tu as envie de voyager, de voir le monde ? Alors tu dois suivre les rĂšgles du jeu. Tu Ă©cris, tu rĂ©pĂštes, tu enregistres, tu trouves un deal, puis tu sors ton disque, et câest parti, ça devient public : single, album, vidĂ©o, tournĂ©e. La route est prĂ©-tracĂ©e. Lavez, rincez, recommencez. Evidemment, celui qui ne suit pas ces Ă©tapes avec application renonce Ă tout un tas de choses. Mais alors, il perd aussi un droit important : le droit de se plaindre.
LES GROUPES, CâEST COMME DES ANCRES DE BATEAU⊠ĂA VOUS DONNE UN REPĂRE.
Jâai toujours voulu faire gaffe Ă un truc : ne pas me laisser griser par le succĂšs. Alors on peut dire que jâai rĂ©ussi, oui, jâai tenu cet objectif assez magnifiquement mĂȘme ! Un peu dâambition en plus ne mâaurait sans doute pas fait de mal, mais bĂątir une « carriĂšre » me semblait demander une stabilitĂ© dont je ne me sentais pas capable. Jâai passĂ© mon temps Ă bouger, Ă partir, Ă partir encore. Pendant trĂšs longtemps, jâai eu du mal Ă mâaccrocher Ă un sentiment, peu importe sa nature, en me disant quâil serait encore lĂ , en moi, cinq minutes plus tard. Alors câest dur de construire quoi que ce soit⊠Et puis si, quand mĂȘme, Ă un moment, il y a eu un peu de stabilitĂ© dans ma vie, et dans mes sentiments, alors pendant quatre ou cinq ans, la musique a Ă©tĂ© comme un travail. Mais ensuite, jâai dĂ» arrĂȘter, parce que jâavais quelque chose de plus important Ă faire.
Tu as vĂ©cu dans de nombreuses villes, trĂšs diffĂ©rentes les unes des autres, Brisbane, New York, Londres, Sydney⊠Quels sentiments tâinspirent ces souvenirs, et ces diffĂ©rents endroits ?
Le souvenir le plus marquant, câest cette idĂ©e dâĂȘtre sans cesse en train de bouger, ce sentiment que tout nâĂ©tait que temporaire, que je nâallais jamais rester trĂšs longtemps â de mon fait, le plus souvent. Je ne crois pas que jâĂ©tais particuliĂšrement ingĂ©rable, mĂȘme si je sais quâon mâa un peu prĂȘtĂ© cette rĂ©putation. Disons que les choses se sont passĂ©es ainsi, que je le veuille ou non. Jâai toujours Ă©tĂ© attirĂ© par toutes sortes dâexpĂ©riences, et ayant rapidement fait le tour de celles quâon peut connaĂźtre en Ă©tant musicien, jâai voulu en vivre dâautres. Toujours vite, toujours en bougeant dâun coin Ă lâautre. Le risque, quand on fait ça, câest quâon peut manquer certaines marches quâil faudrait normalement gravir patiemment, de maniĂšre Ă construire une « carriĂšre ». Des marches, jâen ai nĂ©gligĂ© beaucoup. Et du coup, je me suis souvent retrouvĂ© Ă la case dĂ©part, Ă me demander : « mais, alors combien de fois vais-je me retrouver Ă la case dĂ©part ? ».
Quand The Evening visits⊠est sorti, tu vivais en Angleterre, non ?
Oui, mais les chansons ont Ă©tĂ© Ă©crites bien avant, certaines Ă Brisbane, la ville oĂč jâai grandi, beaucoup dâentre elles Ă New York, oĂč jâai vĂ©cu en 1982 et 83, et une ou deux Ă Sydney, oĂč jâai passĂ© un moment en transit, le temps de me trouver un billet pour les Etats-Unis. Jâai Ă©normĂ©ment de souvenirs trĂšs forts Ă New York. Mais la ville que jâai connue Ă cette Ă©poque Ă©tait trĂšs diffĂ©rente de la ville actuelle. New York, au sens large, nâa peut-ĂȘtre pas trop changĂ©, mais Manhattan, par contre, est devenu une sorte de grande boutique Disney.
Comment le premier album des Apartments sâest-il retrouvĂ© sur Rough Trade, le label anglais qui venait de signer les Smiths ?
Jâhabitais Ă New York. Un jour, jâai reçu un coup de fil dâun vieux copain, Ed Kuepper, qui me faisait une proposition que je ne pouvais refuser : faire une pige dâun an pour son groupe, the Laughing Clowns, le temps dâune tournĂ©e en Europe et en Australie, puis le temps dâenregistrer un album et de refaire une autre tournĂ©e en Europe aprĂšs le disque. Bien sĂ»r, jâai dit oui, et jâai donc sous-louĂ© mon appartement Ă New York, dans lâidĂ©e dây revenir ensuite⊠Quand on Ă©tait en Australie avec Ed, jâai enregistrĂ© des dĂ©mos de mes chansons Ă©crites Ă New York, ainsi quâune ou deux autres plus anciennes.
NâĂ©tant pas trĂšs attentif, ni trĂšs intĂ©ressĂ© par le cĂŽtĂ© « business » de la musique, jâai mis ces chansons sur une cassette que jâai envoyĂ©e Ă une maison de disques, une seule, Rough Trade. La seule dont jâavais entendu parler, en fait, ayant par ailleurs dĂ©cidĂ© que je ne voulais pas signer avec un label australien, vu quâil Ă©tait hors de question que je retourne y vivre⊠Donc jâenvoie ma cassette Ă Rough Trade, et lĂ , trĂšs vite, Geoff Travis mâappelle. Il me dit quâil me paye le billet pour lâAngleterre, et que je peux enregistrer un album quand je veux. Et voilĂ , en un clin dâĆil câest fait, The Apartments sont sur Rough Trade. En pleine Ă©poque des Smiths, effectivement, auquel Rough Trade Ă©tait Ă©videmment trĂšs liĂ©, vu que le groupe de Morrissey avait eu le bon goĂ»t de lui rester fidĂšle malgrĂ© le succĂšs â alors que la plupart des groupes pour qui ça dĂ©collait, comme Scritti Politi ou Aztec Camera, prĂ©fĂ©raient partir signer sur une « major ».
Comment étaient tes relations avec Geoff Travis ?
Bonnes, mais ce nâĂ©tait pas Ă©vident dâĂȘtre un groupe Rough Trade, car Geoff nâavait jamais assez dâargent pour faire travailler tous ces groupes en mĂȘme temps. Les bĂ©nĂ©fices des Smiths permettaient tout juste une sorte de rotation : un groupe voyait son tour arriver, il faisait son disque, partait en tournĂ©e, et puis trĂšs vite, stop, il retournait Ă la queue, derriĂšre les autres, en attendant que ce soit Ă nouveau Ă lui de profiter des quelques Ă©conomies de la maison. CâĂ©tait forcĂ©ment un peu frustrant⊠Moi, aprĂšs The Evening visits , jâĂ©tais prĂȘt Ă enregistrer trĂšs vite un deuxiĂšme album. Mais vous connaissez la suite : ça ne sâest pas tout Ă fait passĂ© comme ça.
Je crois savoir que tu nâas jamais eu trop de chance avec les maisons de disquesâŠ
Je vais te raconter la pire chose qui me soit arrivĂ©e, et tu vas me dire comment tu te serais senti Ă ma place⊠CâĂ©tait avec Hot, le dernier label que jâai connu, il y a une dizaine dâannĂ©es. Un jour, je les ai prĂ©venu que mon fils, Riley, Ă©tait trĂšs malade, et je leur ai fait comprendre que, vue la situation, je ne pourrais tout simplement pas dĂ©fendre mon disque, pas faire dâinterviews, de concerts. Rien alors ne pouvait compter plus que mon fils, et tous ces moments Ă ses cĂŽtĂ©s, cette vie Ă lâhopital. Ăa prenait tout mon temps, ça mobilisait tout mon esprit, tout mon amour. Et puis comme tu le sais, Riley a quittĂ© ce monde⊠A peu prĂšs un an plus tard â tu imagines dans quel Ă©tat je pouvais ĂȘtre -, je reprends contact avec les gens du label, je leur demande de mâexpliquer ce qui sâest passĂ© pendant mon absence, de me faire une sorte de rĂ©sumĂ© des affaires en cours, y compris au niveau comptable. Et lĂ , rien, pas de rĂ©ponse.
Il a fallu deux annĂ©es de suite pour que jâobtienne vaguement des nouvelles, et elles nâĂ©taient pas bonnes : ces types avaient mis Ă profit tout le temps passĂ© au chevet de mon fils pour, littĂ©ralement, me piquer tout ce qui me revenait, les droits sur mes chansons, lâargent des ventes de disques, tout. Ils Ă©taient allĂ© Ă Paris, avaient frĂ©quentĂ© des hĂŽtels trĂšs cher, soit disant pour sâoccuper de la distribution de mes disques. Dans la comptabilitĂ© grossiĂšre quâils mâont envoyĂ©e, la colonne des dĂ©penses Ă©tait Ă©norme, et ils ont eu le culot de me dire que je nâavais pas vendu assez dâalbums pour compenser ce train de vie â le leur ! Autrement dit, je me suis fait arnaquĂ©, pendant que jâavais le dos tournĂ©. VoilĂ . Et depuis, je nâai plus jamais eu la moindre relation avec une maison de disques.
Dans le forum de la BlogothĂšque, des gens qui aiment tes chansons, et aussi celles des Go-Betweens, sâinterrogent ce que furent vos relations. Et notamment sur le sens de cette chanson quâils ont Ă©crit quand tu as quittĂ© le groupe, « Donât let him come back ».
Les Go-Betweens â Grant autant que Robert â Ă©taient vraiment des mecs brillants, charmants, adorables. Cette chanson, câest de lâironie affectueuse, il ne faut pas la considĂ©rer autrement. Quand je pense que tout ça remonte Ă trente ans, et que ce pauvre Grant nâest plus là ⊠On mâa dit que Robert avait rĂ©cemment jouĂ© « That way » en concert, une autre chanson que Grant mâa consacrĂ©e (dĂ©cidĂ©ment !) Mais cette fois, quand Robert lâa chantĂ©, manifestement, il parlait de Grant, et du vide immense quâil laisse, les larmes, toutes ces ombres derriĂšre luiâŠ
Jâai un autre souvenir trĂšs fort Ă leur sujet, ce jour oĂč, dans une interview, ils ont dit « Walsh is night, we are day » (Walsh, câest la nuit ; nous (les Go Betweens), nous sommes le jour). JâĂ©tais, je suis, dâaccord avec cette phrase. WALSH IS NIGHT, WE ARE DAY
Câest vrai quâeux avaient, dans leur musique, cette espĂšce dâinnocence magnifique, ce brillant, que je ne nâai jamais vraiment eu, ou qui sâest estompĂ©, chez moi, avec le temps, avec lâexpĂ©rience. Câest cette innocence que jâaimais en eux. Ils ne connaissaient rien du monde, ils ne connaissaient rien des femmes. Quand je les ai connus tous les deux, leurs vies respectives avaient Ă peine commencĂ©. Ils vivaient dans un monde de poupĂ©es en papier ; or, on nâapprend rien, avec une pourpĂ©e en papier, on ne tombe pas amoureux dâune poupĂ©e en papier, vous ne pleurez pas pour elle, ou Ă cause dâelleâŠ
Plus tard, quand ils ont commencĂ© Ă vivre des trucs, jâai pris vraiment plaisir Ă ĂȘtre Ă leurs cĂŽtĂ©s, et Ă admirer leur travail. Un jour, vous lĂąchez les poupĂ©es en papier, et vous vous retrouvez confrontĂ© aux femmes, Ă la duretĂ© de lâamour, Ă tout ce chaos qui menace, toutes ces choses dangereuses et belles qui rendent lâamour vital et tellement intĂ©ressant. Dâailleurs, pour beaucoup dâhommes, ce chaos commence quand lâamour commence Ă se dĂ©rober, quand il vous quitte, alors que pour moi, câest diffĂ©rent : le chaos menace dĂšs que lâamour apparaĂźtâŠ
Tu revois des gens que tu connaissais il y a vingt ou trente ans ?
Rarement. Parfois, oui, Ă Sydney, quand je vais voir un concert. En avril dernier, par exemple, jâai vu un concert fabuleux des Laughing Clowns, le meilleur concert dâEd que jâai vu de ma vie. AprĂšs le show, jâai discutĂ© un peu avec Lulu, la saxophoniste du groupe. Vingt ans quâon ne sâĂ©tait pas croisĂ©s, elle et moi. Vingt ans. Ăa aurait pris tellement de temps de lui raconter ce qui mâest arrivĂ© depuis la fin des annĂ©es 80 que jâai Ă©ludĂ© sa question. CâĂ©tait plus simple. Mais on a parlĂ© un peu de musique. « Tu joues encore, Peter ? » « Oui oui, je joue encore⊠Mais juste pour moi, Ă la maison. Pas de vie publique, rien ». CâĂ©tait au printemps dernier, jâĂ©tais Ă des annĂ©es lumiĂšre dâimaginer que jâallais remonter sur scĂšne, en France, lâautomne arrivĂ© ! Alors oui, je lui ai rĂ©pondu ça, la pure vĂ©ritĂ© : « Je joue juste pour moi, Lulu ». Et lĂ , elle me raconte que pour elle, les temps deviennent dur, que câest de plus en plus difficile cĂŽtĂ© argent. Et elle me dit : « tu vois, Peter, le problĂšme, câest que je nâai jamais eu de plan B ! ». Alors sans rĂ©flĂ©chir, je lui ai rĂ©pondu ; « Tu sais, Lulu, moi, je nâai jamais eu de plan A ».
A quel ùge as-tu écris ta premiÚre chanson ?
Je devais avoir 15 ans. Jâai Ă©crit quelque chose Ă la guitare, un peu Ă lâinstinct, sans avoir pris de cours. Mon prof, câĂ©tait ma collection de disques. Je peux encore jouer cette chanson, basĂ©e sur un accord. En fait, jâai tellement peu dĂ©veloppĂ© mon jeu de guitare, je joue sur si peu dâaccords que celui-lĂ , je le connais vraiment bien⊠La chanson sâappelait (tu vas voir, câest sacrĂ©ment original), « I didnât mean to hurt you ». Je ne sais plus de qui elle parlait. Et je me demande comment on peut Ă©crire un truc pareil Ă quinze ans, qui nâest pas franchement un Ăąge oĂč lâon court le risque de blesser les autres au point de devoir Ă©crire une chanson pour sâexcuser⊠Si ?
Chez toi, tu Ă©coutes beaucoup de musique ? Des choses anciennes, des nouveautĂ©s ? Tu te tiens au courant de lâactualitĂ© de la musique ?
Il ne se passe pas une journĂ©e sans musique. Pour moi, câest aussi vital que de respirer. Jâai Ă©pousĂ© une femme qui est aussi une immense fan de musique, alors notre maison est littĂ©ralement habitĂ©e par des chansons, des mĂ©lodies. De tout, vieux disques, nouveaux disques, des trucs que nous passent des amis, le bouche-Ă -oreille, aussi, et puis il y a une radio gĂ©niale, Ă Sydney, FBI, quâon Ă©coute souvent. Quand un groupe me plait et que jâaime la pochette, alors jâachĂšte le CD, mais quand je suis trop impatient â et ça arrive souvent -, je tĂ©lĂ©charge le disque. RĂ©cemment, Andrew Morgan, Mayer Hawthorne, le dernier Hope SandovalâŠ
Je crois que tu es aussi trÚs cinéphile.
Oui, les films comptent beaucoup dans ma vie. Jâai un ami qui bosse dans une chaine de tĂ©lĂ©vision spĂ©cialisĂ©e dans le cinĂ©ma europĂ©en, et il me fait connaĂźtre des tas de choses. RĂ©cemment, jâai Ă©tĂ© vraiment impressionnĂ© par De battre mon cĆur sâest arrĂȘtĂ© , de Jacques Audiard. Ce film mâa parlĂ© trĂšs intimement. Cette histoire de type qui a tournĂ© le dos Ă sa vie, et se demande pourquoi, depuis, tout est devenu moins brillant, moins magique, ça, câest forcĂ©ment un truc qui me touche profondĂ©ment⊠Et puis, ce film est trĂšs marquĂ© par la nuit, qui est aussi le cadre naturel de ma musique, comme le disaient Grant et Robert. Les personnages de mes chansons vivent la nuit. Ils nâont aucun talent pour la vie en journĂ©e, ils ne savent pas y trouver leur place. Mes personnages comptent les heures en attendant que le soleil se coucheâŠ
Tu arrives en France dans quelques jours. A quoi ceux qui aiment ta musique, tes chansons, peuvent-ils sâattendre ?
Eliot (Fish) vient avec moi. Guitare, piano, deux voix. Eliot a jouĂ© sur A Life Full of farewells . Il y aura aussi un trompettiste, et un membre de 49 Swimming Pools sera avec nous au piano (Fabien). Sans doute aussi une batterie allĂ©gĂ©e, un tambourin, un tome basse, des chĆurs. Si Warren Ellis me dit quâil est disponible (on le saura Ă la derniĂšre minute), il viendra aussi jouer du violon. Dans ma tĂȘte, jâentends un orchestre de chambre pop⊠Quelque chose avec de lâespace.
Je viens de passer des annĂ©es au piano, seul. A jouer lentement, longuement. En fait, câest un peu comme si je nâavais pas changĂ© dâendroit depuis 1999, jâai les pieds plantĂ©s dans le mĂȘme sable. Depuis ce temps-lĂ , je ne pensais pas rejouer, je ne mâen sentais pas la force. Et puis⊠voilà ⊠câest bel et bien sur le point dâarriver, contre toute attente. Maintenant, il y a toutes ces chansons que personne nâa entendues. Câest comme lorquâil se met Ă pleuvoir sur lâocĂ©an, personne nâentend le son que ça fait.
Ces chansons, je vais en jouer quelques-unes. Et puis beaucoup dâanciennes, Ă©videmment. Jâimagine que ces concerts vont ĂȘtre dâune certaine intensitĂ©, non ? Je me dis que je vais peut-ĂȘtre retrouver quelque chose de cette excitation des premiĂšres annĂ©es, des premiĂšres fois. Je me souviens de ce sentiment, cette impression de promesses qui me tendaient les bras. Et puis, ces promesses, je nâen ai pas fait grande chose. Jâai jetĂ© ce qui mâĂ©tait offert⊠Comme je sais quâil est impossible dâavoir une deuxiĂšme chance, cette fois, je vais tout donner.
Et lâavenir, Peter ? AprĂšs ces trois concertsâŠ
Ecoute⊠Jâaimerais revenir jouer en France en 2010, câest en tout cas ma volontĂ©. Et puis il y a de nouvelles chansons. Alors sans doute, sans doute, il y aura aussi de nouveaux enregistrements, un jour ou lâautre. Je sais que la musique est mon destin, je sais que je dois continuer, et que la chanson, lâenvie de la chanson, son appel, est toujours lĂ , et sera toujours lĂ â mĂȘme quand les rĂ©compenses sâĂ©vaporent, ou que lâidĂ©e mĂȘme de rĂ©compense nâa plus lieu dâĂȘtre. Câest mon Ă©tat dâesprit aujourdâhui. Je me vois dans un monde post-rĂ©compense, post-gratification. Je suis trĂšs heureux de venir en France, de faire ces trois concerts avec vous tous, et je sais que ça va ĂȘtre des moments trĂšs prĂ©cieux. Mais la rĂ©compense, maintenant, pour moi, aprĂšs tout ce que jâai vĂ©cu, câest la musique elle-mĂȘme. La chanson est son propre objet, son propre but. Câest ainsi, mĂȘme si la chanson elle-mĂȘme, parfois, peut te laisser tomber â tu crois quâelle est pour toi comme un abri, un sanctuaire, et parfois, non, elle te lĂąche, elle te tourne le dos. Alors il faut la reconquĂ©rir. Patiemment. Les chansons, câest mon village, mon port dâattache. Câest lĂ que je reviens toujours, au bout du compte, quand jâai besoin de me retrouver. Câest le village oĂč je vis, et câest le village oĂč la mort viendra me chercher.
Emmanuel Tellier (avec Olivier Granoux)
La BlogothĂšque, online magazine
4 novembre 2009
Peter milton walsh
cologne
BY GAVIN FEARNLEY
âThe past is never dead. Itâs not even past.â â William Faulkner
Heâs a star in France. At least, thatâs the line rolled out every time someone writes about Peter Milton Walsh, the man behind The Apartments. Sure, it is an interesting journalistic angle, with the story going like this: heâs an Australian singer-songwriter almost unknown in his home country, yet performs to sold-out audiences on the other side of the world, to people who donât even share his native language.
It certainly is a weird one. But itâs not quite true. So, they donât like him in France? Non, au contraire⊠thatâs the correct bit of the myth. They revere him, having form in celebrating lone troubadour-like figures. Gainsbourg, Hallyday, Aznavour, Brel to name but a few.
But Walsh is ending a tour tonight which has seen him play two sold-out shows in London (his wife, Kate, tells me one gig was so full she couldnât get anywhere close to seeing her husband on stage), a successful concert in Rotterdam and now here we are in Cologne, Germany. This is by no means an exclusively French phenomenon.
Germanyâs had a long wait. This is the first time heâs ever played songs by The Apartments in this country, 39 years after the first EP release, The Return of the Hypnotist. âI was told by Robert Forster of The Go-Betweens to come here and play,â Walsh will say later about his old band-mate.
Photo Gavin Fearnley
Itâs easy to see why Forster would recommend King Georg, tonightâs venue. With low ceilings and dim lighting, it has the air of a former 1970s gentlemenâs club where ladies-of-the-night would come and ply their wares to whiskey-drinking, tuxedo-wearing fellas. And thatâs because thatâs exactly what it is; a former city-centre brothel. Donât let that put you off though, this venue has more than its fair share of charms. The ghosts which inhabit this place certainly help it beat the likes of Munichâs Schlachthof, a former slaughterhouse no less, as a venue.
The lengthy queue of gig-goers outside King Georg demonstrates heâs not quite as unknown outside of France as some journalists suggest. Indeed, itâs also worth noting what a mix of ages there is here. The three teenage girls next to me waiting in line, for example, who â and I do mean this in the nicest possible way â look like they are in the wrong place. Surely 16 and 17-year-old German girls donât know the music of The Apartments? (I catch them singing along to almost every song in the set. They were in exactly the right place.)
Walsh doesnât immediately start playing. Instead he speaks to the audience for a couple of minutes thanking them for coming and the organisers for setting it up. Itâs then he kicks off with Mr Somewhere, from 1985âs the evening visitsâŠand stays for years, a song once covered by This Mortal Coil. With lyrics such as âThat was once a home, home no moreâ, we get an early insight into the running thread through Walshâs work: the passing of time, love letters to faces and cities of a time gone by and how they are all still very much with us. In our thoughts, in our heads, in our hearts.
From a debut album to one which appeared thirty years after, we hear Please, Donât Say Remember from the critically acclaimed No Song, No Spell, No Madrigal (more of which later). Itâs then we are given what is possibly the opus of Walshâs long and distinguished career. Everything Is Given To be Taken Away, the closing semi-orchestral epic from 1997âs apart album, achingly depicting the disappointment and heartbreak of loss. You can hear a pin drop, and suddenly weâre reaching out to the departed, âSo tell me what comes after The Big Sleep, do you dream of all the drums you never beat anymore?â.
There is a lot of talking between songs, with genuinely funny explanations about how these songs came to be. Before All You Wanted Walsh explains how âstrangers who are kindâ had made two years as a young man in New York âeverything I thought it would be and moreâ, before moving back to Australia. A country he originally departed because âthe humidity of Brisbaneâ played havoc with his hair. Maudlin this isnât.
Therein lies the interesting chasm between the inter-song patter and the tunes themselves. Whereas the former is jolly and light-hearted the latter are gapingly raw. âSo the last look is a stare, all you wanted was there,â sings Walsh about leaving New York.
âBlack Ribbonsâ, we are told, is a song about looking back at a past relationship that just didnât work, whilst commenting on how great it sometimes was. âWhen your beauty is a memory, Iâll still be around. My fabulous past, what good is it now?â Again, dipping our hands in to a time gone by.
World of Liars, Sunset Hotel and Thank You for Making Me Beg are played, reminding us why Walsh is so revered, not just in France, while baffling us as to why he isnât singing these masterpieces in larger venues than this. Knowing You Were Loved from 1992âs drift gloriously ends the set, before an encore of Twenty One.
This is one of a few traumatic songs from the last album, which according to a 2015 interview in The Guardian almost never saw the light of day. Given the subject matter, itâs clear why. A lot of No Song, No Spell, No Madrigal is about the tragic, senseless death of Walshâs son Riley as a toddler, after contracting a rare auto-immune disorder. These songs must be incredibly hard for Walsh to sing. âI carried you on my hip at first, I carried you on my shoulders, I carried you to a long black car. You will never get any older.â We clap, there are shouts of gratitude, someone whoops. But itâs hard to be too celebratory, considering the devastation of what weâve just heard. Time passes, but every time he plays this, it must be agony to perform for Walsh. In fact, for parents who suffer the loss of a child, maybe thatâs the point. Time doesnât pass. Things stand still.
Walsh is a genius. Easily up there with Lambchopâs Kurt Wagner or Sparklehorseâs Mark Linkous. This is clear tonight. Why he isnât bigger in his home country of Australia is as an absolute mystery. To over-egg this would be a disservice, however, as he isnât as unknown there as is sometimes portrayed. But, indeed, his following in Europe is nothing short of fervent, loyal and devoted. And considering some of the events in his life, maybe Walsh is wise enough not to really care about whatever success means in different territories. Some things matter more, and time doesnât always heal.
November 20, 2018 | by : Gavin Fearnley www.sicmagazine.net/13490/peter-milton-walsh-the-apartments-cologne/
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